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		<title>Investing in Bad Markets</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mayer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of what makes a great investor is baked-in natural talent, beyond imitation, in the same way countless hours of golf practice won&#8217;t turn you into Tiger Woods. But some things you can copy. In fact, a few things are very easy to copy. Three of them include discipline in the price you pay for [...]<p><a href="http://pennysleuth.com/investing-in-bad-markets/">Investing in Bad Markets</a> was originally featured in the <a href="http://pennysleuth.com">Penny Sleuth</a>.<br/><br/></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="Normal">Some of what makes a great investor is baked-in natural talent, beyond imitation, in the same way countless hours of golf practice won&#8217;t turn you into Tiger Woods. But some things you can copy. In fact, a few things are very easy to copy. Three of them include discipline in the price you pay for an investment, keeping your turnover low (sticking with your investments longer) and focusing on your best ideas.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">What follows is some shoptalk gathered at a recent investment conference in Hollywood, Calif., that reinforces these three principles. Let&#8217;s start with lessons from the Great Depression…</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">The Great Depression was a terrible time to own stocks. During the entire span from 1929 to 1939, stocks delivered a negative return. Small-cap stocks were hit the hardest, losing more than 5% a year on average. Bonds were the only place to hide, scratching out a relatively robust 4.7% per year.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Or maybe not…</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Two great investors, Robert Rodriguez and Steve Romick, both money managers at First Pacific Advisors (FPA), show that a little discipline — a little attention to prices paid — would have given you good returns, even in the Great Depression.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">They show that waiting just two years — until 1931, instead of 1929 — turns negative returns to positive ones. Suddenly, small-caps beat out the alternatives.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Between the market lows of 1931 and 1939, small-cap stocks outpaced bonds. And if you factor in the deflation that occurred during the 1930s (as opposed to the inflation that we all know), small-caps delivered an even more impressive result. Because the 1930s were a deflationary time, a dollar in 1939 bought more than a dollar in 1929. If you factor that in, the real return on small-cap stocks was 9.2% annually during the Great Depression.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Rodriguez and Romick are not market-timers. They are stock-pickers. They buy stocks when they are cheap. They hold onto them. So their basic message is simply this: Stick with buying cheap stocks. You can still earn good returns even in a lousy market. If you could buy all small-cap stocks and get a 9% annual real return during the Great Depression, think what a stock-picker could have done by just sticking with the cheapest stocks in a friendlier investment environment.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Stock-pickers are a minority these days. As James Montier, a researcher at Dresdner Kleinwort, recently observed, &#8220;Stock-picking has become a minority occupation. But if no one else wants to be a stock picker, then this is, most likely, where the opportunity lies.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">The second part of Rodriquez and Romick&#8217;s presentation had to do with patience. Investors, as a group, are not patient. They flip stocks too often. They sell when prices fall and buy when prices rise. The fund flows into (and out of) Rodriguez&#8217;s own fund offers a classic example of how most investors behave.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">The FPA Capital Fund, run by Rodriguez, has been one of the best mutual funds in the business for about two decades. Through 2005, in fact, it was the best-performing mutual fund over the past 20 years, beating the market by a sizable margin.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">In 2006, the fund slipped a bit and lagged the market. Despite Rodriguez&#8217;s two-decade-long performance history, some investors actually pulled money out of the fund. The fund lost 8.6% of its money under management to redemptions in the first quarter of 2007 alone. This has happened before. When the fund lagged the market in 1999, it lost 15% of its assets due to redemptions. In the following year, it lost a whopping 25% of its assets from redemptions. The fund subsequently beat the market by 35 points in 2001.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">The FPA Capital Fund&#8217;s experience illustrates a classic case of investor impatience. There are several studies out there that show the average investor actually earns returns less than what mutual funds report. Why? Because the average investor tends to take his money out at bottoms and invest it near tops.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">The typical investor trades too much. Again, Montier, commenting on empirical research exploring the link between turnover and performance, wrote: &#8220;Unsurprisingly, those funds with the highest turnover deliver the worst performance, while those funds with the lowest turnover do the least damage to net risk-adjusted returns.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">So the lessons to take from Rodriguez and Romick&#8217;s presentation are twofold: First, <em><span style="text-decoration: underline">pay attention to the price you pay</span></em> and you can make good returns, even in a bad market. Second, <em><span style="text-decoration: underline">don&#8217;t chase past returns</span></em>. Instead, be patient with your investments and give them time to bear fruit.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Lastly, focus on <em><span style="text-decoration: underline">your best ideas</span></em>…</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Zeke Ashton is on nobody&#8217;s list of great investors — at least not yet. But he is a rising young star. His presentation brought home another trait that successful investors have: They tend to focus their money on their best ideas.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Again, research supports the idea that the best-performing investors concentrate on their best ideas. The average mutual fund owns 128 stocks. Among the top 25% of all funds, the average is only 63 stocks. The bottom 75% own over 140 stocks. In short, the best investors own fewer stocks. As Ashton said, &#8220;The goal for all investors should be to get the most value out of your best ideas without risking significant capital loss if you are wrong.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">What makes a great investor is endlessly fascinating to me. I love to study how great investors play the game. Doing so also helps reinforce good investing habits. Sometimes, these habits are relatively easy to copy: pay attention to price, trade less and focus on your best ideas.</span></p>
<p><span class="Normal">Sincerely,<br />
Chris Mayer<br />
<em>October 29, 2007</em></span></p>
<p><span class="Normal"><strong>P.S.:</strong> I use these principles when I look for investment ideas for my <em>Capital &amp; Crisis</em> readers. It has paid off. I’m not saying that I pick them any better than Rodriguez or Romick, but I’ve had my share of big gainers. In fact, I just had one just last month go for a 230% gain. I will soon be giving my readers some serious ideas from my trip throughout India.<a href="http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/FST/WFSTH901/" target="_blank"></a></span></p>
<p><a href="http://pennysleuth.com/investing-in-bad-markets/">Investing in Bad Markets</a> was originally featured in the <a href="http://pennysleuth.com">Penny Sleuth</a>.<br/><br/></p>
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